ordinand• Ramsey lost neither his sense of humour nor his power of mimicry when he became an ordinand.• Where there are ordinands or members of staff with professionalmusicalskills, they are used for teaching.• The overallpicture, however, is of a lack of systematic training in church music for ordinands.• Milner-White recommendedordinands to go to Cuddesdon, his own old college; and so he advised Ramsey.• Its effectiveness is revealed only after the ordinand has been ordained.• Its purpose was to survey the quantity and quality of training in church music currently being given to ordinands in Britain.